TGCCC Adopted Minutes 10 April 2006
Terminals GCCC
(Terminals Geelong Community Consultative Committee)
Adopted Minutes of the Meeting
Held in the Meeting Room, Corio Library, Norlane
Monday 10 April 2006
Present:
Robin Saunders, Chair
Katie Rafferty, Minute Taker
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Geelong Community for Good Life |
Sue McLean Joe Cicero |
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Geelong Community Forum |
Sue Kelly-Turner |
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Worksafe |
Geoff Cooke |
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Multiple Chemical Sensitivity Group |
John Wilson |
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Terminals Pty Ltd |
George Horman (Managing Director) Geoff Millard (HSE Manager) Carlo Fasolino (State Manager) Gary O'Sullivan |
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Community Representative |
Peter Linaker |
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AWN(Air Water Noise) Consultants |
Frank Fleer (Managing Director) |
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Community Representative |
Ralph Taylor |
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Community Representative |
Greg Postuma |
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Geelong Grammar School |
Jon Apted (Director of Planning) |
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Northern Community Consultative Group |
Paul Dakin Bill Aitken |
Apologies:
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CFA Geelong |
Ian Beswick |
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Terminals Pty Ltd |
Jeff Hibbert |
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EPA |
Anne Marie McCarthy |
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Chemtrans |
Pat Hornbuckle |
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Green Party |
Catherine Jones |
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City of Greater Geelong |
Steve Sodamaco |
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Special Monitors of Geelong |
Franceska Dezalak |
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Geelong Community for Good Life |
Gordon Alderson |
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Item 1 |
Welcome by Chair |
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Robin |
Welcomed committee to the meeting and introduced Frank Fleer from AWN Consultants to present Item 12-Terminals briefing on the bitumen proposal. Introduced Greg Postuma, a local resident attending his second meeting. |
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Item 2 |
Apologies, confirmation of Draft Agenda |
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Apologies were received from the EPA, Pat Hornbuckle of Chemtrans (-due to personal issues has been unable to present), Jeff Hibbert, Ian Beswick, Franceska Dezalak, Catherine Jones, Steve Sodamaco and Gordon Alderson. |
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ACTION |
Gary O'Sullivan to contact Chemtrans for an alternative speaker. |
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The Draft Agenda was altered so that Item 12 was brought forward to Item 5 and then Agenda was accepted. |
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ITEM 3 |
Confirmation of Draft Minutes |
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No objections were raised and the minutes from the meeting of 20 March 2006 were adopted. |
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ITEM 4 |
Draft EIP (Terminals' outline to be expanded: comment by EPA, Committee) |
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Carlo |
Presented on an overhead as well as hardcopy, Terminals updated EIP including Improvement Description and Summary of Targets 2006-2009. |
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Bill |
Expressed concern about the ten-year inspection period of tanks querying whether the period should be shorter. |
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Geoff C |
Stated the ten-year inspection was a statutory period. |
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Gary |
Stated that the tanks were staggered for inspections i.e. all tanks were not inspected at once. |
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Bill |
Stated he was looking for that information in the EIP so dates of inspections could be found. |
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George |
Stated that information was found in Terminals' Safety Case. He stated that different substances stored by Terminals would have different time frames and cause different corrosion. |
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Carlo |
Stated the EIP was about long-term environmental improvements and was not a schedule of maintenance. |
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George |
Said a product enquiry was conducted for each product stored to determine tank inspection times. He said the floor plates of tanks are now scanned to check the thickness of plates etc. |
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Carlo |
Said spheres sit on legs so the underneath can be inspected. |
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John |
Stated concern regarding the storage of butadiene saying that flexing can cause minute cracking. He said more regular testing would be necessary in the beginning so that the tank could be monitored until it's credentials had been established. Ground movement would also need to be monitored. He also stated that the community would need to see the engineering details to confirm for themselves that all aspects had been covered. |
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George |
Stated the first butadiene sphere would not go beyond ten years without being tested. |
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John |
Said initially with a new structure, closer monitoring in the short term would be the initial steps required. |
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ACTION |
Terminals to review the ten-year inspection period for the first butadiene sphere. |
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Sue Mc |
Queried the target for Greenhouse Emissions listed and the statement that motors on tanks would be replaced on an opportunity basis while assessing cost and practicality. She asked if a motor broke down would it be replaced. She asked for that point to be expanded on and made clearer. |
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Jon |
Queried the Improvement Description for the VCM sphere internal inspection and maintenance and the statement that the amount of emissions to atmosphere can possibly be decreased by 50%. He asked weren't emissions meant to be zero? |
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Carlo |
Replied there would be small parts per billion but said the less times a sphere was opened for inspection, the less emissions there would be. |
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Sue Mc |
Stated the EPA required planned reductions in greenhouse gas emissions for the whole site. |
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Frank |
Agreed those things should be in the EIP. |
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Sue Mc |
Stated the VCM monitoring program was missing from the EIP. |
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Carlo |
Stated that monitoring is not an environmental improvement. |
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Sue Mc |
Stated it was a requirement of the Works Approval conditions that monitoring of butadiene emissions be reported back to the TGCCC within one month. |
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Robin |
Read from the bottom dot point of the March minutes that requested that improvement and compliance be separately addressed in the EIP. |
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Carlo |
Stated Terminals have an Environment Management Plan (EMP) that shows compliances. He also stressed that the EIP document being discussed was not finished yet. |
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George |
Offered to make the EMP available to the committee and suggested putting the compliance issues as a table at the back of the EIP. |
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Sue Mc |
Again stated the requirement of the Works Approval conditions, that Terminals report the results of monitoring butadiene emissions back to the TGCCC in one month. |
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ACTION |
Terminals to up-date the draft EIP to include: Expand 3.1.6 to include a Greenhouse Gas reduction plan Include full requirements for Butadiene (3.1.9?) --including VCAT requirements Add numbers to Summary to cross reference with text Add an appendix detailing monitoring requirements |
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ACTION |
The committee to read right through the EIP draft with a view to discussing it again at the next meeting. |
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Robin |
Suggested a site visit prior to the next meeting so that Carlo, Gary and George can point out things of importance. |
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ACTION |
TGCCC members meet at 4.30pm at the Terminals Geelong site prior to the May meeting for a site visit. |
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ITEM 12 |
Terminals briefing on bitumen proposal. |
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Frank Fleer |
Presented from overheads, an overview of the Terminals Bitumen Storage Works Approval Application. (Text attached to the minutes) |
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John |
Stated there may be variations of the swirling effect/building downwash because of Shell bulk. He said bulk could affect where wind flows would be and therefore dispersals. |
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Sue Mc |
Said there was evidence that the Ausplume model did not predict the levels fifty percent of the time. She said local terrain is becoming a big issue in the modelling. |
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Frank |
Said the Ausplume model over-predicts and that in complex terrain it is not a good model. It doesn't follow meandering paths, that's why it over-predicts. |
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Sue Mc |
Stated wind swirls and eddies from Corio Bay had not been taken into account. |
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Robin |
Asked Frank if he was tied to the EPA model or if he could use a better one. |
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Frank |
Said in complex terrain he could put forward to the EPA that another model be used and get approval from the EPA but in this situation the Ausplume model was the best one to use. |
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Bill |
Asked what temperature the bitumen would be delivered to Terminals at. |
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George |
Said it would be 150 degrees in a liquid form. |
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Peter |
Asked if the ship would be free from emissions at unloading. |
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George |
Said the ship would be inhaling not exhaling. |
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Peter |
Asked if the cumulative effects had been considered. |
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Frank |
Stated that background concentrations had been taken into account. |
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Sue KT |
Asked when the application would be lodged. |
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Frank |
Said the application was just starting to be prepared and would be lodged in two to three weeks. |
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Robin |
Asked how odours would be monitored. |
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Frank |
Said published data on hydrogen sulphide (H2S) and volatile organic compounds (VOC's) would be taken into account. |
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ITEM 5 |
Business Arising from Minutes |
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The committee went through each of the Action items from the summary: |
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9/4 CFA to bring Chemical Biological Radiological detection equipment used for hazardous chemical spills to a future meeting to show the committee. (Deferred pending further advice from Ian.) |
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10/6 Geoff Millard to present at this meeting - in the event this was deferred to May. |
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11/2 Geoff Millard on QEST information - to be discussed - in the event this was deferred to May. |
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11/4 Guide to Incident notification provided. |
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11/5 Verification of changes of HAZOP dates - to be advised. |
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ACTION |
Robin to email Jeff Hibbert for dates of HAZOPS. |
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Joe |
Suggested community reps make their interest known to Terminals. |
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11/10 Gary spoke to Karen and she requested the original logo design be done by Clifton (consultants) |
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ACTION |
Gary to liaise with Karen Sherlock to get her to liaise with a selected school and submit a range of their designs to Terminals. |
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12/1 Handed out at the meeting (George to email a copy to Robin and Katie) |
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12/2 Draft EIP to be discussed again at the next meeting |
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12/3 Robin to scan and distribute Shell's emergency response information. |
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12/4 Defer to May meeting |
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12/5 Defer to May meeting |
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12/6 Draft agenda completed for June meeting. |
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George |
Said Rod Boyd from Stereo 974 would be happy to present at the June meeting about radio response in the Footscray area. |
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Sue Mc |
Suggested inviting three people from local radios. |
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Robin |
Said Terminals still had to hire the venue and place ads in newspapers. |
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ACTION |
Robin to discuss arrangements (venue, invitations) for forum with George prior to May meeting (include with 12/7) |
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12/7 May meeting. |
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12/8, 12/9, 12/10,12/11 all done and 12/12 no longer applicable. |
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Sue Mc |
Was not satisfied with George's findings and stated Qenos may have had other customers than Dow and BASF. |
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Robin |
Said he would contact Maureen Short from Qenos to discuss. |
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12/13 Deferred to May meeting, as there was little information as yet. |
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12/14 Gary to contact Chemtrans re new presenter - a new action item. |
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ITEM 6 |
Report from Terminals |
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Gary |
Presented the truck movement reports from 28/2/06 and 5/4/06. He then presented the Terminals Operations Report for March 2006. |
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WorkCover Report |
Geoff C Presented the process and timeline for licence renewal for round two Safety Cases. The information and table he presented can be found at GN - 29 on the website. [Note from Chair: the site may be found by accessing http://www.workcover.vic.gov.au and then going to the pages Publications; Major hazards guidance notes, and the to the specific Guidance Note (GN). GN4 provides a Safety case outline, and GN29 gives the Renewal of Major Hazards License. The direct address of GN29 is: GN29.pdf
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Carlo |
Said 10% of gaskets to be replaced by safer ones. |
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Bill |
Asked if asbestos had been sealed. |
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Geoff M |
Stated it had. |
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ITEM 9 |
Housekeeping - Website |
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Robin |
Stated the website domain name had been done by Terminals and he hoped to have the final form by the next meeting. |
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Katie |
Requested completed Agreement Forms from community members so that their details could be listed on the website. Only those who have returned agreement forms will have their details listed on the Website. |
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Robin |
Deferred Items 7,8 and 11 to the May meeting after requests from the committee. |
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Sue Mc |
Stated the EPA had a publication on Ballast Water that she would bring to the next meeting. |
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Robin |
Declared the meeting closed at 9.30pm |
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The next meeting will take place after a site visit to the Terminals Geelong site on Monday 8 May 2006 at 4.30pm. The meeting will follow at 6.30pm at the Corio Library, Cox Rd Norlane. |

